Hello, i have only just found out about this forum. if i had known about it sooner i would have said something before.

Can i just firstly start by saying..... Have you ever actually spoke to anyone down waitrose/ Georgelane carpark?  if you had you would discover that they are not chavs!  i believe the definition you have for chav needs to be checked.. A chav is an individual or person who causes trouble for no reason, and are not nice people and are not willing to talk or compramise.... The people down waitrose will talk to someone if they actually bothered communicating rather than slagging them off..... and they would  compramise, but have never been given the chance.

As for you saying... " if only the river was deeper they could be flushed into that" that is very mature do you not agree! And as for the "fire bragade and hose practice" That is perthetic...it isn't  punishing needed , its listening to.

Fair enough, there has been trouble and some ocasions of vandalism and abuse i am not denying this... but you suggest something for the people down waitrose to do... some form of compramise and believe me it would be done. The people are not horrible and just need to be given a chance. As i learnt at college if you are given a tag (sterotype) then you live by it... if you get told something enough you will start to believe it and see no point in being any different. so then why dont you stop slagging off the people down waitrose and give them something positive! Then perhaps you will see how nice these people actually are.

sorry to seem that i am going off on one, but seriously just go and talk to them.. 

pink_puppy wrote:

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Can i just firstly start by saying..... Have you ever actually spoke to anyone down waitrose/ Georgelane carpark?  if you had you would discover that they are not chavs! 

Um Helloooo? does that mean that you have spoken to them before now then? if not then why not? you need to practise what you preach. Let me know if you have spoken to them, whenever they are at school, they always tell everyone where to go in no uncertain terms. I don't want to go and speak to them if they are going to be like that.

 i believe the definition you have for chav needs to be checked.. A chav is an individual or person who causes trouble for no reason, and are not nice people and are not willing to talk or compramise.... The people down waitrose will talk to someone if they actually bothered communicating rather than slagging them off..... and they would  compramise, but have never been given the chance.

um-well the people who go down the car park-if they aren't looking for trouble then why were they smashing up the toilets?? i dont call that a night time activity taht normal children do who dont want trouble. again you are saying that they have never been given the chance to talk which indicates that you havent spoken to them-so why are you telling us that they will talk if you havent tried it? I go to school with alot of them and i know alot of them and know what they are like.

Then perhaps you will see how nice these people actually are.

umm-they aren't nice. most of them live down rable view with a few living down the mead. BUT-they have no respect for others or other peoples property.

I have also heard that they might be getting a warehouse to "hang out" in so that they arent causing trouble in the town. Why do they get a reward for trashing everything and shouting abuse? I have always wanted somewhere nice to hang out in Marlborough yet no one can suggest anywhere, the chavs (and yes they are chavs-there is no other word for them) trash up some toilets and shout abuse and hey look-there is a place for them to go and decorate and make their place. So-if i were to go and trash a few places and shout abuse then would i get an old warehouse to decorate as i like to hang out in??

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Maverick wrote:

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 What do the young people want? Well who the hell has even bothered asking them? 

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No one has ever bothered asking me what i want. I am 17 and have no where to go apart from home. I can't get into the pubs, and my mates live too far away to just come in one night to walk around the high street. Why don't the council recognise the people who are just at home with nothing to do? Do we need to sit out on the streets before we get somewhere to go?

and as for them learning the proper art of grafetti-i bet within a year there will be grafetti on many walls in marlborough.

Just so I dont get accused of exaggeration I will take a webcam next time...and supply a copy to the police or the council if needed.

you are saying that they are breaking the law....   are you aware that by filming these people you will be breaking the law yourself??  you are not aloud to film people without their permission.

As for the ones on bikes... they arent actually doing any harm... are they? fair enough they dont have lights on their bikes..... but they are in a light up area that is a car park... and not a main road in the dark.!

Um Helloooo? does that mean that you have spoken to them before now then? if not then why not? you need to practise what you preach. Let me know if you have spoken to them

I actually speak to them everyday... so i do practice what i preach!! i talk to them everyday because i go there to talk to them and spend some time with them... most of them are my friends.. although i would like to make it clear that I DO NOT vandalise or shout abuse! and that when they do start to do this when i am there, there is a couple of them that actually tell them to stop etc... and usually they listen!

Maverick stated that him and his wife go down waitrose to see what is going on, they do indeed and they have had some lenghty conversations with everyone down there... from the way you are talking about the people down waiterose you would expect them to shout abuse and throw things at them.. well they have never had abuse shouted at them and had never had anything thrown at them!  infact when everyone sees them comming the people down waiterose cant actually wait to have a conversation with these two older perople.. Maverick and his wife have shown respect and actually listened to everyone, and in return they get that back..

so if everyone down waiterose was that bad would they actually want to talk to Maverick and his wife??

One more question....... WHY DO YOU HATE THEM SO MUCH?

dont get me wrong, i completely understand what you are sayin.

as for you saying that "....it annoys me intensely that  by breaking the law they get what they want ...i.e. everything given to them...whereas those who respect the law and do nothing wrong get nothing and are rewarded by seeing lawbreakers given everything. what a rolemodel !!!!! ......be good get nothing, be bad get everything." these people at one point were people who did nothing wrong, stayed at home and hardly saw their friends.. but they had enough of not getting listened to.. misspiggy would also like somewhere to go and maybe meet new people. Somewhere safe to go that was acceptable to the older generations. somewhere that the youth could go where they were not breaking the law..

i completely understand where you are comming from and agree.. but have you ever though that if they were given somewhere in the 1st place that they would not have turned, to crime and vandalism??  these people were not listened to..... and now they have turned to hanging out down waitrose.... and are getting into trouble with it...

That is why something needs to be done, not just for the people down waitrose but for every young person who would like somewhere to go, that they could see their friends and have something to do.

"Filming in a public place is not illegal......but if they are doing nothing wrong what have they got to worry about ?"

Feel free to film them..... but it is against the law unless you make it clear that you are filming... you arent even aloud to record cctv unless there is a sign stating that there is cctv in operation.

You tell me what you want from them, and i will tell them this... they do listen!

also, there will be a couple of us representing the people down waitrose and also the youth of marlborough at the next town councel meeting on the 31st. Then i believe that all this can get sorted out.. You can have your say, and the representitives will speak for the people down waitrose and also for the youth of marlborough.

Hmmm ok ... so a large group of young people in the car park were ALL hurling missiles .. and ALL were smashing things ... and each and every one of them could be heard from the High Street ... and of course every single one of them owns a bike and deliberately rides it around without lights?

Wow sounds like we should bring in the riot police by that account!  Let me see now .. within just 45 minutes of the alleged incidents .... we walked (without shields or body armour) into this so called riot zone ... and were greeted with "hellos" etc by most of the assembled stormtroopers of the devil!

We surveyed the battleground - OH gosh ... some litter .... a few dog-ends .. and one empty coke bottle (plastic so as to cause maximum damage) - what wanton destruction!

Once again methinks the great god exaggeration has been lurking around the minds of those who like to stir!

Now shall we attempt to sort the wheat from the chaff (no tracacre and Miss Piggy not Chav) ......

As in every walk of life there are troublemakers - some young and some old.  If my friend or my neighbour does something wrong does that make me also guilty by association?  I hope not because if it did then we are all guilty including the sanctimonious gossipmongers!

Let me see now - has anyone asked the people sitting at home what they want?  Actually yes, many times, but then do they bother to inform us - sadly no.  Much easier to sit in the warm at home where mum and dad will pander to your needs while conveniently forgetting about those who may not enjoy the same luxuries.

Hmm lets generalise and create a ghetto mentality - let's label Rabley Wood View (or Rabble Wood as you like to refer to it as) or the Mead as places where most of "that type" of person comes from.  In fact some of those in the car park come from other parts of town entirely.

Why is anyone taking an interest in them?  Because if nobody gives them anything and they are continually ostracised by people like you then for sure they will over time cause more and more problems.

YOU try suggesting what they should do and where they should go - for some they may not be welcome at home (just as we weren't, from our broken homes).  Certainly our Town Council takes no interest and turns down all requests to provide for the young.  District and County also ignore them - providing only ASBOs but no incentives or initiatives.

Oh and by the way the idea of a "warehouse" Miss Piggy is not a Council idea at all if that is what you are thinking - remember they won't even provide a goalpost!  Anything they get will have to be by raising awareness and by dialogue - and by organising themselves enough to work with people - this is called "strategy" and "forward thinking" in order to provide something in the future.  

IF you want to ignore the future of your town feel free to continue with the bile and bigotry - alternatively try and be constructive rather than destructive - it is interesting to note that some of these same young people have formed relationships successfully with those who feared them the most up in Lawrence Acre (the elderly).  Once they were brought together and met each other it changed the whole dynamic - and lets face it if they can manage it then why the hell can't the rest of us try?

thankyou for that bit of advice... 

well when they have some ideas and it has been okayed by the councel then raising the money themselfs is what they shall do.

they being the minority not the majority!!!

most of them are perfectly innocent and i will still defend those who are.. as for the people who threw the eggs... when i find out who did it! well.........